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Piper has got to be one of the biggest freaks for Calvinism. He'd "curb anyone's enthusiasm" not to receive their Salvation.

Kind of a bizarre prayer. 2 Corinthians 5:17 old things have passed away, this performer is going to declare we're all sinners and our dishonor is somehow related to this sickness?

Nee and Lee did uncover some deeper Biblical truths (actually much or most of it was borrowed from Christian speakers before them, they just copied and consolidated it), and the local churches did recover a couple genuine Biblical practices such as calling on the Lord, exercising the human spirit, and prophesying (despite the way they prophesy is just repetition of things Lee said, which kind of annuls the unique function of prophesying)….. However the local churches are absolutely a cult. Both social and heretical. They are a hierarchical authoritarian system similar to the Catholic Church in how they function. They are clergy-laity because they uplift their speakers and elders above the nominal saints and the members are only supposed to speak what Witness Lee said, and they’re encouraged to do so verbatim. This was promoted and propagated by Lee himself and the small clique of leaders he set up to succeed him on his thrown after his death. And they are a system of man worship, uplifting Witness Lee (and to a lesser extent Watchman Nee) to god-like status. In fact Lee often alluded to himself being the “acting God on earth” and “the minister of the age,” which was an attempt to consolidate his control and power over the churches he set up Furthermore Witness Lee invented and curated several major erroneous and heretical doctrines that center around cult mind and behavior control. Two of the major ones are “getting out of the mind” and “blending to erase differences.” These two and probably a few other ones are major tools of mind and behavior control. And historically the local churches have been a separatist and sectarian movement very similar to the Amish. They practice a certain type of asceticism which repudiates certain things they deem “worldly” and pressure their members to conform to this mold. This damaging behavior has caused mental illness, broken up families, and in severe cases the loss of life According to my studying of this matter (I am a former lifetime member born into the local church system) the major deviations in their practice started with Watchman Nee and his books Authority and submission, Spiritual authority, and The Breaking of the outer man and the release of the spirit. These books are centered on power of control of leadership and the “breaking” and submission of those below in the hierarchy. In my view this is where the major cult behavior started There is a massive amount of evidence out there that proves they’re a cult and proves that Witness Lee was their cult leader. He propped himself up as a king amongst the churches that he founded, he centralized power through LSM (Living stream ministry, which is the base of operations or worldwide centralized headquarters of all the local churches Nee and Lee set up), and he dictated what happened to the churches and how they functioned. Doing so often in malicious and manipulative ways to consolidate his power. It’s his system that he set up to benefit him, his children, and his family. LSM made the Lee family very rich and it’s now making the “blended brothers” very rich Ultimately the local churches are a very deceptive and subtle sectarian cult that uses lying, manipulation, and intimidation to further their agenda What did they lie about? They lied about the fraud Witness Lee committed against all of the members he took money from to fund a business with one of his sons. They lied about systemic sexual assault scandals that were committed by another one of Witness Lee’s sons as well as several elders in various localities, and they lied about how they paid back saints who gave their life savings for Lee’s failed business ventures (they used the saint’s own tithe money to do so, which is illegal and fraudulent) How do they manipulate? They say one thing and do another in many ways. They claim they are accepting of all Christians that don’t meet with them (they are not). Witness Lee claimed there was no centralized power structure in the local churches, however he and his cohorts under him absolutely exercised absolute power over the local churches and when a local church wanted to practice autonomy the leading elders in that locality were besmirched of their reputations and summarily demoted or fired from their positions of leadership How do they intimidate? They use fear of the loss of the millennial reward to keep their members loyal and attending (which makes them lots of money in various ways through tithes and proceeds from book sales and training seminars). And they threaten their members never to talk bad about any bad behavior of their leadership by telling the members they will be rebels if they do so and say they might die or get illnesses if they “uncover the brothers,” which is a way of telling on the bad behavior of the leaders. So basically they threaten you to keep your mouth shut if any major sins or crimes are being committed by their leaders. This lead to systemic sexual assaults and sexual abuses as well as fraud which damaged many of their members. Some who left were threatened and when they wrote their testimonies they were threatened and their reputations lied about and they were also threatened with litigation in an attempt to keep them quiet (you can read all about this in various links below) There’s plenty of evidence of this online. Much of which are testimonies from former members on the abuses they suffered and the reasons for their departure from the local churches. Here are a few sources sources (apologies that it’s a little disorganized) localchurchdiscussions.com/vBulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=47&d=1273066418 artemisbelt.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/a-history-of-the-lord%e2%80%99s-recovery-in-the-united-states1/ assemblylife.com/a-future-and-a-hope/ (full book and website) bibleread.online/all-books-by-Watchman-Nee-and-Witness-Lee/book-Speaking-the-Truth-in-Love-John-Ingalls-read-online/14/ (says it all here, testimony of former elders who resigned due to unethical leadership) www.concernedbrothers.com/repent/BroLeesRepentanceWhyMissedTheMark4.pdf freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/ freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model-pdf-download/ www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&order=0&topic_id=8227&forum=40&post_id=&refresh=Go blendedbody.com/4LCD/ModernMysticalTeachingsandtheWordofGod.pdf thecuriousfellows.wordpress.com/2023/11/15/select-quotes-from-witness-lee-regarding-the-lords-recovery-christendom-christianity-and-the-overcomers/ Lee admitting to wrongness- www.concernedbrothers.com/repent/BroLeesRepentanceWhyMissedTheMark4.pdf Lee admitting there’s a special class and rank in the recovery- shepherdingwords.com/twisting-ron-kangass-words/ concernedbrothers.com/Toronto/Reconsideration.pdf ruclips.net/video/vNfqTOAfB4U/видео.htmlsi=_3LJvFESa5Y3obZE ruclips.net/video/tRkcT5tU578/видео.htmlsi=iJA-MSmiOHVjcndV blendedbody.com/4LCD/How_To_Recognize_Cults_7_Characteristics.pdf assemblylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/chapter1.pdf ruclips.net/video/n-2QoHtRerA/видео.htmlsi=f1v6njHEbnvulZcE (really good) ruclips.net/video/hPPdutV9xzk/видео.htmlsi=S2TX2K3gD2LzReXm (really good on authority at the end, watch whole thing) ruclips.net/video/0z6RmKxH-BY/видео.htmlsi=1lkX_O1_oPwobCah ruclips.net/video/3hQfq4pHtiw/видео.htmlsi=xtLSglHmLnBzY-E1 ruclips.net/video/wvHPZuki_-Y/видео.htmlsi=HEUUlck4GudNMV25 (this one is good on cult practices) ruclips.net/video/I22t8CVYHrU/видео.htmlsi=yFRb5fe1LcBq0yIx (good on Nee and Lee history-read comments, particularly bp5722) ruclips.net/video/4cXvByMqVrQ/видео.htmlsi=ffCA4EEXCcSwminK (good on authority and comments) ruclips.net/video/Hp83-QWhV68/видео.htmlsi=zv8wV2mCzgNWhC_s (regarding the LC being good or not, even Lee said at one point that people are trapped. said it in various ways. also touches on lukewarmness and deadness, which may be caused by Laodicea and Nicolaetin behavior. maybe 50% retention rate of their children) metaphorical conclusion www.open-letter.org (wow) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Church_controversies ruclips.net/video/g9tQLWR2_zk/видео.htmlsi=IY4ET3Qzn9vBpLJz www.johningalls.com/#/reader/chapter/49/0.0.19.0.0.80 (website) www.pfo.org/Pressing%20Truth%20to%20the%20Extreme.pdf (on Jessie Penn Lewis) ruclips.net/video/jfOv9-6yE-U/видео.htmlsi=yHP3_o0238LDVV4F (really good) localchurchdiscussions.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=350 ruclips.net/user/liveJU7mR6dHT4M?si=7KPHjPAVFUGoTqvW thelordsrecovery.org/thread/ ruclips.net/video/ZzhvIizk0Sg/видео.htmlsi=_uPM50mydKiNpPO9 (very good) ruclips.net/video/VEp1QIERgeM/видео.htmlsi=s6WOQzl43c8Si9FP ruclips.net/video/FAoFgzxXZTY/видео.htmlsi=kWFzWqFHtpGrgF7X (good, sums a lot up and eye opening) ruclips.net/video/2Nhbfz80KdU/видео.htmlsi=2DSqA4MpciqqVfAq (good on authority) (very good around 16:00 on pretentiousness and sanctimoniousness) ruclips.net/video/R7szsZw1GYI/видео.htmlsi=WuFThzjRAuQjBDZ4 (ending is great) ruclips.net/video/Tnai6i0SdhQ/видео.htmlsi=H03VErMpBKv0x86f quarantinedvoicesspeak.com/uploads/3/4/5/7/34571211/lettertoleaders.pdf www.laymansfellowship.com/public/CommunicationsWithSteveIsittRegardingTheThreadofGold2006-2007.pdf localchurch.web.fc2.com/PDF/AHistoryoftheLordsRecoveryinUS.pdf reviewingchurchhistory.com/uploads/3/4/7/1/34712424/deviatingfromthepath.pdf lcinfo.org/?page=news stephenisitt.com/about-us/ thebereans.net/forum2/forumdisplay.php?f=342 www.concernedbrothers.com/Truth/Sanitized.pdf

The father never treated him as anything other than a servant. In fact most Masters wouldl reward a loyal and well performing servant without prompting every now and then. The father failed his older son not the other way around. The father set the stage by never showing the older son any appreciation.

God Our Lord brings one to the gospell or brings the Gospell to them. It is allways by the Gospell that we come to the Lord. And always by conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit. Never lost is never saved.

Come boldly... our thoughts of unworthiness are of the flesh not the spirit. The Holy Spirit is the comforter PERIOD.

We know His will. It’s very clear, promise after promise. Have you done it? Take care that your emphasis on sovereignty doesn’t testify against you. Take care family. Two brothers arguing about how mighty dad is may realize that He’s right there over their shoulder reminding them that He commissioned them, and He meant it!!

The thing is that the local churches ONLY reads books by Witness Lee and some by Watchman Nee. This is not normal since when in meetings people will mention Witness Lee just as much as Jesus, if not more.

THE ECCLESIA CITY IS NOT WRONG, IT IS WRONG WHEN ONE MINISTRY AS THE LIVING STREAM MINISTRY LIKE TO CONTROL ALL ECCLESIA CITY.

If an Arminian church sends out a missionary and supports him, and that missionary was convinced to Calvinism and the Arminian church cut his support, who is killing the mission?

Piper the false teacher.

The perfect church on Earth does not exist and you cannot make the perfect church. If you can prove me wrong and find this church DO NOT JOIN IT!!! If you do you will spoil it.

Cuz ?

Elder brothers have so much ego They they are leaders and they own younger brother but that's not the truth

Aldo you have a wonderful channel great work 👏

By the way they CHANGED THEIR GARBAGE FM… COVENANT THEOLOGY.. in the 70,s & 80,s to DOCTRINES OF GRACE… !!! Why ..??? All the better to infiltrate & hi jack unsuspecting churches & christians alike that’s why… their bs can’t Redeem so they must Recruit.. to survive…& like mush rooms they can only survive in the dark…

so a person ends up in hell bc God refused to elect& choose him for heaven… it’s not bc they will not come to Christ…Jn5:39,40… it’s bc they were not elected to do so… oh B/4 the foundation of the world… of course… how silly of me..

Jn. 6:28,29 alone refutes his bs…” what must…WE….DO… that we might work the works of God…”& Jesus answered & said…” this is the work of God… that… YOU… BELIEVE…IN…ME…WHOM…. HE….HAS…SENT…” Our Lord never said…” hold on to ya hats… I gotta ck, w/ the father to see if you, ve been elected/ chosen to believe or not… in Jn. 5:39,40 Jesus says…” you…WILL….NOT…come to me that you might have life…” Question…?? How do ya…”WIL….NOT…” if ya have no…WILL… To…” WILL…NOT…” with …????

My God this guys loony toons…” bubbles in a glass…” who,s counting the…” bubbles in his head…? & did God put those…” bubbles… in his head..?

Since the guys …” making fun of the issue…” isn’t he ordained to do just that & has no choice to do other wise..??

& all the trained seals went arf… arf… arf… for his “ means $ method …” bs

Ha ha “ I love… clarity…” what a joke… on Christiandom…& for well over 400 yrs now w/ no end in sight…

That is controversial… knot head… if 1/2 the world can’t be saved…& the other 1/2 is saved B/4 they were ever born… the great commission is not needed… what’s the point…???” Go ye therefore into…ALL THE WORLD… says Christ… but according to Roman Catholic Reformed Calvinism…. it’s not necessary…& that knot head laughs … like the idiot he is…

John is so busy trying to prove Catholicism wrong he doesn’t see the Truth staring him in the face. We can fall away from our relationship with the Father. And we can repent and be brought back 7 x 77 times. WE MUST participate in our relationship with our LORD. Our works DO MATTER! Not as a requirement for salvation but as a requirement for our RELATIONSHIP. Duh.

Wow. The amount of false teaching here is astounding and detrimental to all Christians. This is a false Gospel. The story was NOT trying to relay and teach ANYTHING said in this video.

He’s saying something God didn’t say..

David livingstone only had one convert in his years of evangelism!

You're not going to keep the law because it wasn't sent for Gentiles to try to keep it (but not perfectly). Hogwash.

❤🙏

Keep trying harder so you will fail faster an then give it to the Lord

Thank you- I may make a epic reading of this as God wills

we need ro have a disciple mindset not a biblical mindset and not a worldly mindset

Soli Deo Gloria.

beautiful and amen.

Praise God!

This argument about God’s total sovereignty it’s one that does not put God in a good light, because God has to decree everything in order to His will be accomplished. I believe that the Bible (The Word of God) portrays a much sovereingh God than that, that God created beings (angels and Humans) with will to choose, and despite of what their choise, God will still fulfill His plan of salvation. That is a much more sovereingh God to me. Imagine that God will play chess with you and in order to win, He has to decree you to loose. That is a weak God. And it’s all fun and games to joke about God decree of where the bootle on the table would be, but change the exemple with the bootle with rapeing of a 3 year of girl and sexually exploit her and sell her 10 times a day, or impregnanting of african womens for the purpose of harvesting organs from their baby’s, not fun anymore ay Jhonny boy? Peace to everybody, and discernement.👌🏻

Are calvinists saved when calvin-ism is a false gospel?

No such thing as unconditional personal regeneration. If people didn't submit to John the Baptist, Jesus would not give them his Spirit.

We do not seek God. We hate Him the Bible says Don't preach that we have free will

Please open your Bible next time

What about 2 Peter 3:9, NIV: "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." This verse tells us very clearly that God wants to save everyone, but we know that not everyone gets save, why? Because people have the free will to reject God. To reject something is a decision, if you can reject something you can accept it too, aka free will.

Opps i jumped the gun i should have researched where you are coming from i assumed you were a member of the Witness lee Local church ... the Lords Recovery ...sorry

St Joseph community church refers to itself as your Local place to Gather in His Name

iam a baptised Greek Orthodox and embrace The Catholics as my brothers I was was introduced to the Local Church in my town I was attracted to the talent teaching of the brothers .Yet as they that taught and preached unity on the other hand, pointing at and expousing blantant lies about the Catholic Church . the viewpoint of Watchman nee is skewed by the reformation as though th church began in1500 . There are wonderful Protestant brothers embracing Catholics in true ecumenicalism right here locally . Yet the Local church cloisters itself and closes it self off ttitude towards the churches around them least as Witness Lee term get Christianity germs on them....They point the finger at Christianity being infected by Nicholaitism and ar just as infected and being a nondenominational denomination with hidden aspects of clergy laity. Why aren't you willing to sit down and have Koinoia with your fellow Christians? Judge yourselves first with sober judgement before pointing a blaming finger at others . If im off base correct me if Im wrong

Real

The local church is a cult. Many will be led to the wrong lord. Run away as fast as you can. Professing themselves to be wise they became full. Mark those who are against the faith. Not all those who say lord lord. Many false chests will arise. They take captive sillt women.Dr. Walter Martin was right and Hank is a heretic.

Paul established elders in the local churches not pastors.. Pastors and teachers as the other accession gift ministries are the work of the ascended Christ not a democratic election of a church board. As is spoken Paul selected elders in each city and church of that city where he ministered. Not doubt that many of the elders would have the gift of being a pastor or an evangelist or a prophet . those functions are not suddenly transposed upon a individual simply by some elders laying hands upon that person and giving them a job as such

The "churches" (Synagogues) this dude refers to are 501c3 State religious organizations (and those similar) whose head (god) is the State which exist for the sole purpose of keeping people in bondage to the unauthorized kingdoms of man and outside of the Kingdom of God. Just because someone or some group of someone's sets up a business with permission from the State usually and labels it a "church" DOES NOT mean it is an Ecclesia where God's true people assemble, live, preach, teach, and adhere to the one and the only Authorized King of Heaven and Earth and His commandments ALONE. So the judgmental ones who like to point fingers at others because they don't "go to church" (State church) are the ones who are truly FORSAKING THE ASSEMBLING TOGETHER because they themselves refuse to believe in the true Messiah and King and assemble in accordance to His Law and His Law alone.

And he still lives today!

scared little Israelites he says. NO sir, Those words sound like the voice of the serpent. I am more then a conquer in Christ Jesus, I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me, AS he is in this life so am I, The glory that Jesus has he now gives me,